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By pete — 1 year ago
AE 388 – Interview: Scottish Accents, Favourite Movies, & More with Christian from Canguro English
G’day, guys. Welcome to this episode of Aussie English. Today is another Aussie English interview episode. So, this episode was relatively impromptu. It was unexpected. It was spontaneous. And it was on Instagram. This was the first interview that I’ve done on Instagram. So, I got on Instagram. If you haven’t checked it out, go to Aussie English on Instagram. I have an account there, obviously, and I was on there fiddling around and I was chatting to Christian from Canguro English, recently, and he suggested that we do a live class together. So, apparently, before I actually realised that you could do this, you can do live classes on Instagram. So, we did that tonight. We were chatting about all kinds of different things in the live class. We were talking about different accents in English comparing American English, British English, Australian English, and talking about the difficulties that you may or may not have when travelling in these different countries if you have only been exposed to a single kind of English. We also talked about our experiences learning languages, whether bad pronunciation is worse than bad grammar, or good pronunciation vs. good grammar. If you had to choose one, which would be the one that you would choose to hear in someone speaking English? Christian and I have a bit of a debate about that. We talk about the future plans for Aussie English and for Canguro English. Christian has just started his podcast and there’s one episode up already. The link will be in the description for you guys to go and check out Christian’s podcast but just sit back and enjoy this episode, guys. It’s just a natural conversation between Christian, a fellow Australian, who’s currently living in Spain, and myself, obviously.
And remember, that if you want the breakdown of 5 to 10 minutes in this episode, you can jump over to the Aussie English Classroom where you will get a quiz and some vocab to study for a section of this interview episode. So, this is all in a bid to try to help you improve your English.
Anyway guys, I won’t hold you up any more. Here we go. Christian from kangaroo English and me just have a yarn.
Hello everybody and welcome to this live stream. I’m going to be going live this morning with Pete from Aussie English. The man, the legend…
Good! It worked! It worked.
Yeah! I had exactly the same problem with Adriana. For some reason, I’m like… I’m like, you know, cancer! Nobody wants me in their livestream.
I can’t even understand it was “unable to join”. So, it had like everyone else showing up that had them, and I could invite them, but for you said “unable”. And then, when I came in I just had to send the request. So, it’s technology.
So, maybe I have some setting wrong in my Instagram. I don’t know what it is, because I looked yesterday. I have to do some googling and find out what the problem is.
Man, I… this was the first time I even used it, yesterday, when I got on. I had no idea. I don’t do any of the live things on here. I’ve only ever used Facebook. So, I was just there like…
Wow! So, it’s incredible. This is amazing.
It’s pretty good. It’s pretty crazy. The only thing I think that they can improve on is it muting you when I talk and vice versa, ’cause I feel like I can’t hear your reactions whilst I’m talking until I stop talking. It’s like Skype.
So, where are you right now.
I am in my parents’ kitchen and living room. Behind me you can probably see their living room, and then their kitchen is here, and I am just sitting down at this big viking table. You can see it here. This is my desk at the moment.
It’s a beautiful house, actually.
Yeah, they renovated it a few years ago. So.
It looks like it has lots of glass everywhere.
Yeah. It’s pretty cheeky. If you come… you see behind me here there’s a courtyard with windows and everything, and then my room is up here, and I have a little… (I’ll) see if I can show you. I have a cute little like outdoor patio here and my bedroom’s behind here. So.
Is that… Are you living in the granny flat?
It’s part of the house. It’s still joined. But to get there, I have to go… (I’ll) see if I could show you guys, all the way… all the way up these stairs, and then turn in the door at the end there to get to my bedroom. So, you can see why I prefer to be down here. And it’s yellow, because the Sun’s setting behind me over here. So… I know.
I have the exact opposite this morning, ’cause right now the sun is just coming out.
You look like you’ve just woken up. Are you having coffee?
Yes. I woke up about half an hour ago. I’m definitely not a morning person. It takes me a long time to actually, you know, get started. So.
I’m the same. I get up at like I’m 9:30-10(am). That’s when I crawl out of bed, and I’m like, “Oh, yeah, I can do stuff now”, and then, I go to bed at 3am. So, that’s good.
Well. Yeah, well, I think probably from an Australian that’s a little bit more, like, abnormal, ’cause I’m like… I know that a lot of Australians get up very early, right?
I guess there are quite a few, especially down here, I don’t… you probably can’t… you won’t be able to see it, but through the windows here, if I take my head off (the screen), there’s sand dunes just here and then there’s a beach on the other side. And so, mum every morning gets up at like eight o’clock and goes on walks the dog and there’s, you know, hundreds of people down on the beach walking their animals. So, they’re all the people who get up early in are peppy and, like, “Oh… let’s get, you know… rise and shine!”.
But what a spectacular place to live. So, the beach is just there, just like.
Well. A kilometer away. Half a kilometer away. Maybe 500 metres. Yeah, so it’s pretty good.
Well, I know where I’ll be staking when I visit you.
Man, you should come down. I’m trying… I have to live here and, like, rent whilst I’m trying to save up to get a place here, ’cause I want to live here in Ocean Grove, but I need to save a bit of money first. So… but it would be nice. Definitely come to Melbourne.
We’ve got a question here. Well, Tum… Tum… Ok, I let me try say this. Tumwah Shifkuna says that we look like twins in the language sphere.
Yeah, that’s it. Except I think I’m slightly more freshly-shaved. There’s a little…
You might… So, you how much more spectacular beard.
Just at the moment, though. Like, for now. I just haven’t shaved for a month.
No, it’s nice. And we have an actual question here from… Well, he has… He doesn’t have his name, but his username is “Arfander”, and he says, “Is there any accents in English that we don’t understand?”.
Yeah. I have to agree. I think the most difficult accent, I think, for most native speakers would be Scottish, right?
I think so. Maybe some of those really regional American accents like in… in the south or, I think, some of those really weird places in Canada where they live in very small… like Newfoundland, right? Where they live in very small communities. And so, it almost intensifies as a result. But I remember, as a story, when my dad used to watch Billy Connolly videos, and Billy Connolly’s a really good comedian, but he’s from Glasgow. And I remember, for the first year or two not understanding it. Dad would put these on all the time and I wouldn’t understand. I’d miss the punch line. I wouldn’t know what he was saying, ’cause his accent is so strong. So, that took a long time to adapt to.
Yeah, I think that’s the interesting thing, right? But, like, it’s not… ’cause people sort of have this idea that there are, like, strong accents, but it’s, like, all accents are equally strong. It’s just a question which accents we are accustomed to hearing.
I think that’s it. And it tends to be… it tends to be that there’s… a lot of accents might be different, but they kind of converge a bit on… the vowels aren’t that different from one another, right? Like Standard British English, Standard American English, Standard Australian English, they’re kind of the same, but as soon as you go to sort of an outlier like Scottish Glasgow accent, it’s almost like their vowels are all switched around and that’s what messes with my wiring. I’m just like.
Exactly. And the vocabulary. I mean, like, in Glasgow they have so much slang that’s very specific…
That never leaves. That, you know, we don’t see on television. We don’t see it written in newspapers. So, you just… you have know idea what it means. Like, it’s.
I had to learn a lot of that from just Billy Connolly. I think he was my only sort of conduit for learning Scottish slang, because I only ever watched him, and it took a long time of watching, rewatching, getting the context, and then I was, like, “Finally! I think I know what he’s talking about when he says, “Wellies” or, you know, “Jimmy”, or something”, and I’d be like… that’s what compounds it, right? It’s almost like the accent is one thing, but then if they speak quick and on top of that they use slang everywhere, it just makes it so much harder, ’cause you can’t parse that in real time. It’s just like.
I mean, imagine the poor English learner who, you know, who’s been studying English with a teacher for four or five years and then they go to Glasgow. They don’t understand…
But that’s the same for us, right? Like, if we did a sudden school trip in Glasgow, the average Australian would probably feel like they were in a different country. You know, like, they would be like “You alright pal? You alright? You alright?”, and you’d be like, “What are they saying?!”.
Yeah, if anyone wants to… if anyone watching wants to hear some authentic sort of Scottish… you know, with slang, they should definitely look for the comedian Billy Connolly.
Yeah, he’s brilliant. With subtitles!
I’m going to type his name down in the comments.
Billy Connolly. Connolly. Is it with two L’s?
I think so. That’s one of those… Billy, and then Con… yeah, it’s double N and double L.
Oh, yeah. He’s a funny guy.
And also, there’s a video on YouTube and sometimes I show it to my students. And if you go to YouTube.
This is the guy. If you can see him. I don’t know how the… the screen’s probably too bright, but.
I mean, he just looks like a comedian. He’s funny… just looking at it him’s funny.
He’s so good. He’s amazing.
Yeah, if… on YouTube, if you… there’s a video. If you just type in YouTube, “Scottish people speaking in English maybe”, that’s the title of the video, and it’s it’s a little excerpt from Jeremy Kyle.
And it’s these two Scottish people arguing. And honestly, it’s impossible to understand. (It’s) absolutely impenetrable. It’s crazy.
Yeah. I’ll have to find it. There’s a few of those videos. I remember seeing one where there’s a guy who’s stuck on a roof and he doesn’t know where to put his feet. And these guys are teasing him like, “Just put your feet in the flashing. Put your feet in the flashing”, and he’s say of “flashing” or something like that of the roof and the guy’s like, “Where the fuck do you want me to put my feet? Where am I supposed to put my f…”. And he’s just, like, losing it, and you’re just, like, ***laughter****. It’s amazing. It’s amazing.
But it is… like, speaking about, like, how we get used to accidents. I remember recently, I was watching an episode of… what’s the name? The Ellen Degeneres show, and she plays a game called “Accents”. So, basically you… the people, they hold, they put a tablet on their heads and it says, you know, you have to do a Scottish accent or an Irish accent or New York accent, and the actor… It was the actor…Oh, I can’t remember his name. Man, I’m getting old. I can’t have anything. Anyway it had this really famous American actor on the program. And so, they were playing the game, and he could do New York and California and Scottish and South African and he could do British. And then, she does this, and it’s says “Australian”, and he’s like, “….”. He couldn’t do it, because… and I think because nobody really sort of hears it, right? Nobody practices the Australian accent.
No one cares. No one cares about us.
I think they… you know, didn’t they do that thing where they asked all these Americans where to show Australia, and they put a map out, and they… just the dots were just everywhere from South Korea to Iraq, and, like, no one knew where it was. So, it wouldn’t surprise me. But that’s what I find interesting. People say I have a strong accent, and… who are also English speakers, and a lot of the time I feel like they’re just Americans who just aren’t exposed to the Australian accent. Whereas, we hear… we watch TV from Britain, from, you know, Ireland, Scotland, America, Canada, and so, we get sort of everything and learn to understand it. Whereas, I think countries like America and Canada are probably a lot more insular and just focus… They only see their TV. And so, learn their accents and that’s it.
What’s it like in Spain?
I met a guy from California, recently, and I asked him, I said, you know, “What do people think the British accent?”, and he was like, “Wow. It’s like the British accent is like so elegant, and, you know, like James Bond, basically.” You know.
Well, what was it like for you with learning Spanish, because obviously you had, you know, Spanish-Spanish, “cena” instead of “cena”, and then you have all of these other Spanish-speaking countries that are larger than Spain. So, it’s not like you’re not going to come across them. Was it weird learning those accents?
I think, honestly, I think that when you’re learning a language, like, the last thing that you can do is have, like, a perfect accent, and in fact, it… look, like even now, I couldn’t tell you the difference between an Argentinian Spanish accent or or a Cuban Spanish accent, because, like, those little details of the language, that comes with time, with social awareness, with cultural awareness. Like, that’s something that… that if… you have to be very deep in a language to notice. I mean, I’m sure that most of our learners wouldn’t know the difference between American accent, South African accent, you know.
South African. Especially, the Australian and New Zealand (accent) tends to be one where we hear it, we hear it, and we’re like, “Man! It’s like day and night. What are you talking about? We’re totally different!” And everyone’d to be like, “You guys are the same. It’s like…”You bastards!”.
But was it like that? Learning Spanish, was it… initially, you learn Spanish Spanish, and then had to sort of adapt and learn all these other accents to like hear and understand them? Or did you learn all of them as a result?
I think, in my experience, ’cause I only speak one other language, so I can’t say for what it’s like in other languages. Maybe it’s much more different. But, for me in Spanish, Spanish is… lots of people try to say that there’s a big difference between Spanish Spanish and Latin American Spanish, but really there isn’t. The grammar is identical. The accent is more or less, you know, the same. For example, to give you an example, one of the main differences is in Latin America, they would they would drop the ‘s’ of any plurals.
So, a correct pronunciation of cars would be “coches”, “coches”, but in Argentina they would have “coche(s)”. The ‘s’ would just…
Ah! So, it’s a shame just through context, is it? You hear, like, the articles or something before it, and you’re like, “Yeah, it’s plural.”.
Yeah, exactly. Just… I mean, context is so important in language. And the other difference would be, as you mentioned, like in Iberian Spanish, you know, the ‘Z” would be like a “Th”. But in South America it’s more like soft… like a “Sss”. And as you have “Zorro”, which is a fox, and also the famous (Zorro), in Latin America.
Oh! (I) never knew that! I didn’t realise that meant “fox”. All these years, I thought it was, like, “zero” or something.
Yeah, me too! I was like, “What do you mean, it’s “Fox”? He’s called “Fox”. That’s really weird. Exactly. Oh yeah, so some people here are saying that’s Brazilian Portuguese and Portuguese Portuguese is the same situation.
It’s actually… It’s… I think it would be a bit different from Spanish and South American Spanish, because they use different pronouns and there aren’t grammatical differences. Again, I’m not that good, I’m not that proficient, in Brazilian Portuguese, but from what I’ve read there… well, and there’ll be completely different words. Like, I remember I was learning the word for “girl” in Portuguese Portuguese, but I didn’t know, and I was just using it, and I said it to Quel, and she’s like, “You just called me a “slut”!”. And I was like, “What?”. And she’s like, “Yeah, in Brazil, that word is a bad word.”. And I was like, “But it’s… “. I showed the source, and she’s like, “Yeah it’s fine in Portugal, but in Brazil, it’s very bad for you to call women “girl” or whatever in (Portuguese)”. And I was like, “God damn it…”.
Well, yeah, but I suspect it’s similar to, like, American English and British English, like, yeah there are some differences, but the total number of differences probably fit on one piece A4.
How would you… and that’s a good segue into, I guess, the differences between British English, American English, and Australian English. From our point of view, from our biased Australian point of view, what… how would you sum up… if someone sat you down, whether they were an ESL learner or they are an American or a British person, and they said to you, “Can you just tell me what the differences are? The biggest differences that I should expect when coming to Australia? Aside from potentially pronunciation, what are the differences in the language?”. ‘Cause I’ve got a few my head that I can mention, but.
Well, I am going to throw it right back at you, because, you know, I think you’re definitely more have much… ’cause, you know, ’cause you’re still living there, and you specialise in talking about these differences. I mean, what do you (think the biggest differences are).
Don’t put me on the spot, man. Don’t put me on the spot!
I think, I guess… we kind of break rules quite a lot, I think, grammatically, at least. Instead of saying “My car”, people will say “me car”, “me car”. And they use the wrong noun, wrong personal pronoun. They’ll say, “This is me wife. This is me car. This is me stuff”, you know. So, they’ll use those, and they’ll say, instead of “those”, they’ll say “them”. “Them ones”, “Them ones over there”, instead of “those”. They’ll do those sorts of things. I think too, we won’t say… what’s another example? “You guys”, I find that I say that quite a lot for plural “you”, instead of just saying “you” and it being… just leaving it as “you all”, like, I have to add something else to always make sure that people know that I’m talking about multiple people instead of just using “you”.
Yeah. I mean it’s incredible that English lacks a pronoun to talk to a group of people. I mean it’s such necessary thing. It’s such a necessary thing, and we don’t have it. I mean, but yeah, like, you could say “yous”, “yous lot” maybe?
That would happen too. Yeah “yous” where we’ve pluralised it by putting an “S” on the end. You’ll hear bogans say that. “Yous. What are yous doing? Are yous coming? Are yous coming with us?”. I know, and you’ll be like,… I’ll be there, and I’ll be like, “Oh my gosh! I can’t handle this! I’m going to have an aneurysm!”.
But isn’t it… I mean it just… if you said to somebody, “Okay. We need to invent a pronoun, a new pronoun, for a group”, you would say, “Well, we’ll put an “S” on “you” it’s a solution. You know, “Yous.”.
I know, that’s it. I can’t think how else… I wonder… there must have been a plural pronoun that just somehow fell out of use in our history, you know, from Middle English or Old English, and I wonder if we could bring it back, you know, “thou” or “thine” or something crazy. I think also though, we probably use… the thing that blows my mind about British English, American English, and Australian English is that we quite often use the same language, but at different frequencies. So, like, I’ll say certain expressions or things like, “I reckon”. I’ll use words that the Americans and the British probably know, and they probably use from time to time, but I use them way more often, and maybe in different circumstances than they would, you know. And the same with, like… what’s an example? American saying, “It’s called out.” You know, “it’s cold out.
It’s cold out.
And you’ll be like, “Out what?”
And they’re just like, “out”, and you’re like, “Oh, “outside”. Okay, gotcha!”.
Yeah, it is… Yeah, I think, that there’s… maybe there’s a little bit of business aspect to creating this idea there’s a big difference between British English and American English, but I really… I think that there’s not. I think it’s just marketing, really. And.
Well, there’s a question for you. What advice would you give people who want to learn English, but they don’t know where they want to go, if they want to leave their country and go to an English-speaking country, which English would they… should they learn, or should they… it doesn’t matter?
I don’t think it matters. I mean, I don’t think that it is… in the history of English teaching, nobody has ever gone to a country… like, no one’s arrived in America, and people would say, “Oh! Are you speaking British English?”.
I can’t imagine… I can’t imagine too, though, be like, “I’ve just spent seven years learning British English and I ended up in Canada. Shit…!”. Like, how am I going to communicate with the locals?!”
No, but I mean, it’s never happened. I mean, you know, maybe if you had studied British English for 30 years intensely, and, you know, you had… your words were perfect, an American would think that your turn of phrase, some of your vocabulary, was British, but it would never create a problem with understanding. I mean.
I mean, so… I mean, I want to ask you a question, because I’ve been wanting to ask you this for a long time. Are you travelling around Australia in a…? Tell me about this. What are you doing? What’s your plan?
I’m not yet. I’m not yet. That’s the goal, though. That’s the goal. At the moment, I’ve just moved out of my… the house I was living in Melbourne whilst I was studying. So, I was doing my PhD up in Melbourne, and that required that I was in Melbourne to go to the university and the museum on a daily basis, but the rent is.
You finished your PhD?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did.
Oh my God! So, I need to call you Doctor Pete?
Please do not. Please do not call me Dr. Pete.
From now on, this is Dr. Pete, right here.
Do not call me Dr. Pete. I’m a doctor in rats, the evolution of rats. That’s… it’s meaningless.
Wow, what a great thing. No, congratulations. I know that’s a lot of work.
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Oh man, I’m so glad it’s done. Believe you me, believe me, I am so glad it’s done. So, I was… I decided to move, ’cause it was $900 dollars a month just to live in Melbourne, and I just decided I don’t need to be here, I can do it online, it’s just pointless. That’s it. I can come and mooch off my parents, and not pay anything for a short period of time. So, it’s like.
(What a) tough choice! So, but, now is the goal. I want to go around and I want to show people the real Australia. I guess, that’s the goal. I would love to go round and interview real Australians about who they are, what their Australia is, where they grew up, what they… what their opinions on things are, like, living a happy life or having good relationships with people. Those sorts of things I would love to get in and just ask the average day person and bring that to the language learning scene on the podcast or YouTube so that people can just learn Australian English, whilst also learning English, but then, understand the Australian mindset. So, that’s the goal with that at least, and that’s why I’ve got a car now, and not enough money to put fuel in it.
Wow. But like, is there not any interest from the world of academia? Like, are there not any universities interested in this project from, like, sociolinguistic perspective, or…?
(I’ve got) no idea. I should probably find out.
I think… because, you know, when they do analysis of, for example, if they want to know how many people use the present perfect when they’re talking about, I don’t know, a story of the past, they try to get hold of real recordings. And I thought that you could collaborate with the university or something.
I’ll have to get… I’ll have to get locality data on all of these people. I’ll have to get like a GPS position before I start every interview so that I can be like, “This is where they were when they spoke these words.”.
And listen, you know that in the world nobody has more money than education.
So, that’s it. We’re loaded. We’re balling.
They might pay for your car, right?
Who knows. Who knows, but it’s probably worth following up and asking, yeah, if anyone here has interest in it, or… no idea.
There’s some questions here for some people.
Yeah, sorry, guys.
LiveLifeEnglish wants to know what our favorite movie is.
Oh my God. I hate when people say, “What is your 1 favorite…?”, and you’re like, “That’s worse than just saying, “Do you have a few…?””, and you can, like, spout them off. I’ll let you go first.
For me, I think probably my favorite film would be Eyes Wide Shut. Stanley Kubrick’s final film. An incredible film. And a lot of people really hated that movie. So.
Or maybe a close second would be the film There Will Be Blood with Daniel Day Lewis. That was an amazing movie.
Oh, man. He is incredible. I think that’s probably an easy thing for me to say, “Who is your favorite actor?”, than, “What is your favorite film?”, but based on that, I would say The Dark Knight with Heath Ledger. That blew me away. That absolutely blew me away. He was phenomenal.
Yeah, he was incredible. I mean, no one can ever be The Joker again, ’cause he was just so good.
I know, Jared Leto tried and it was a shambles.
So, is… would he… would you say that Heath Ledger was your favorite actor as well?
He was one of them, definitely. I think Tom Hardy is one of my favorite actors too. He is really versatile, and he was in the third installment of that Batman series, as, you know, “Let the games begin”, to be like this I guess, “Let the games begin, Batman”. Like… He was jacked in that film. He was… that was amazing.
Ok. There’s another question here. What is… what is worse to you as native speakers, grammatical mistakes or a bad accent?
I think for me, you can have the strongest accent in the world, but if you don’t make as many grammatical mistakes it’s just not as difficult to listen to, because it takes me a moment to get used to your accent and then it’s fine. But, if I hear a native person making massive grammatical errors, I’d prefer to listen to someone with a strong accent who doesn’t make as many grammatical errors than a native speaker who makes lots. You know. So, it’s not that big a deal, but if I had to choose, I think that would be it.
Yeah, it’s funny that, isn’t it? It’s almost like a type of prejudice, like, in the sense that we expect… you expect a native speaker to be able to control grammar properly, right?
I don’t know if it’s that or if it’s more that I just… my brain has to work harder to fill in the gaps. If someone makes grammatical errors, I have to think harder about… what are they trying to say? Whereas, if the accent’s just strong, that’ll… as soon as I get zoned in on the vowel sounds they’re making or they’re different… slightly different consonant sounds, then I don’t have to work anymore after I’ve realized, “Okay, they’ve got a slight accent. I’m used to it”, but if they make big grammatical errors, sometimes I’ll be like… you know, like, if they completely change phrasal verbs, you know, to say “look under” instead of “look after someone”. They could say that perfectly, and I’d be like, “I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.”.
I’m going to get up and just turn on the light, ’cause the Sun’s setting me. There we go. Let there be light!
What about you Christian?
Well, yeah. I mean, really… I think it’s a difficult question to answer. I think, if I can understand you, I don’t really care. Oh, man see… (Pete just put a hat on his head)
I’ve got to… if I do this, my head’s shiny, right? So, the light comes from here. And, you know, so I’ve got to, like, put my hat on to cover the light off my head. Bald man issues, bald man issues.
Oh my God. Maddik said that he prefers to listen to native speakers because his brain doesn’t have to work as hard.
I’ve got an interesting anecdote for that. I… when I was learning French really really hard, like, working away at it, and I was doing it every day, I found it so easy to speak to French people, and then one day when I was at the gym, I was speaking to one of my friends who was French and another guy who was Australian came up to me, and started speaking French to me, and I had the biggest issues with his accent. He had it… he didn’t have… He didn’t put any accent on to try and speak French. So, instead of trying to use the French accent, he just didn’t use it. And then, on top of that, he was making a lot of grammatical errors. And again, it wasn’t a judgment on him or anything, it was just that, all of a sudden, I went from perfectly understanding the native speaker to having to work really really hard with trying to work out, as someone who’s… French isn’t my first language, so that made it even more difficult. But yeah. So, I can understand both. You’re having breakfast at the same time, are you?
As you know, I only got up five minutes before we started. So, you know. I eating… it’s more malt loaf.
Malt loaf? What’s in it?
It’s a really dense fruit bread. It’s really good. The problem is it’s very cloying.
It’s very what?
Cloying. Like, it sticks to everything. It’s very intensely, you know.
You’re not producing enough saliva to deal with it.
You are getting old Christian!
Yeah, let me just take my teeth out so that I can eat it better.
That’s it. You just need a glass of saliva from yesterday that you can just sip on every now and then, you know.
My coffee’s all gone. SO…
That’s it. But what about you? What were you saying? Which is more difficult for you, a strong accent or bad grammar?
I don’t know. I think if I can only if I can understand you, I don’t care. Like, if… like, you could have perfect grammar and a bad accent, and I can’t understand you, or, you know, you could have really terrible grammar, but you pronounce it words well and I can understand you it’s… so many different… I mean.
It’s almost like it depends what grammatical errors you’re making, really.
Because, I had the opposite experience to you. One day I was at the school, and this person came in, a Spanish person and said… and said in English, “I ah…” he came in and he was like this. “incomprehensible English”, and I was like, “What are you saying to me?”.
And then, in the end, we spoke in Spanish to organise the class, and during this time, there was a student waiting to have class with me, and she understood what this guy said perfectly.
Her mind… Her… she had like the accent, the Spanish accent, when speaking English was, like, in her mind. It was very peculiar. I couldn’t understand the guy. He was completely… you know, he displayed all of the worst characteristics of the Spanish accent in English, and you know, he spoke really fast, and oh man, but…
So, what advice would you have for English learners then, who say, “Alright. I am ever going to work on my pronunciation or grammar. Which one should I focus on first and, you know, most heavily.
I don’t know. I think people have an idea. You know, they have no idea what their problem is. Don’t you think? Like, I think people know.
Your weak spots.
Yeah, and I think you just have to be honest with yourself. And I think, as well, you have to be perceptive. Like, people don’t understand you, you’re speaking and they’re like, “???”. You have to work on that.
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I think that’s one of the keys that I always tell my students is once you get to the intermediate to advanced level the thing you need to start becoming an expert at is finding what things you’re screwing up, whether it’s your accent or it’s grammar, and it’s not that you can just identify them all today, find the answer, and “bam!” it’s all fixed. It’s an ongoing process, literally, on a day to day basis, for the next year, 10 years, 100 years. You’re going to have to spend… just constantly identifying your mistakes. And it’s the same with me. I have to keep doing that on a daily basis with my English. I find things that I’m saying, you know, incorrectly, maybe even my pronunciation. Until two years ago I was saying “pronOUncation” instead of “pronUnciation”. And at the time I was like, “Well, “to pronounce” something. It’s “pronounciation”.” And then, one of my friends looked it up and show me, you know, (they) grabbed the computer, and was like, “Pronunciation*”. And now every time I hear someone make that error it just hits me in the.
Yeah, I mean it is… these kind of little misunderstandings. You know, they’re quite common, I think. And it’s more embarrassing, right, if you’re a native speaker, because you feel like, “I should know that. This’s my language. I should know.
Yeah, well that’s like when you call me out on spelling.
Even when you’re spelling correctly.
Oh man, that got me! So, Christian keeps catching me making spelling mistakes or… on Instagram. And he’ll be like “Wrong! Wrong”. And I’ll just be like, “Damn it!”. I did that too fast. I didn’t check it. I was lazy. And then, he did it yesterday when it was all 100% correct, and I was sitting there for five minutes like, “Oh my God! what have I screwed up? Why can’t I see it?”.
Oh, it was… I’m really sorry about that.
That’s ok. I… you trolled me. You got me. You trolled me well. I was totally like, “I can’t see it! Am I that dumb?!”.
Well, I think that your merch, your merchandise, your t-shirts, and everything, is really cool, and anybody watching you should definitely buy some of Pete’s stuff and support him through buying some of his t-shirts and hoodies, and you can wear them with pride.
See if you can show me. Send me a photo if any of you get it. And I’ll have to get some as well, and start wearing them around the street so that people think I’m learning Australian English.
Well, what about you Christian? Tell us about the podcast and your yawls for that in the near future. What’s the… what’s it called and what’s the aim of the podcast? And how can people find it?
Well, the… I’ve only made one episode so far, and my goal was to… because, sometimes there are things I want to talk about in videos, but too heavy for a video or to, like, long, and a podcast seemed like a perfect place to talk about those things. But, if I’m going to be honest, I think my first podcast was too dry, and it was a little bit too serious, and, you know, I’m not sure if I said all the things I wanted to say.
That’s how it goes. That’s how it goes. You just have to keep (at it. Would’ve… I think, someone… they tell me when I started, they were like, and this is a bit crass, but you guys’ll love it. “Just keep throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks.”. So, it’s a vivid image. Just keep throwing. It doesn’t have to be “shit”. It can be “mud”. Just keep throwing things at the wall and see what sticks to the wall, and just keep, you know, keep doing the good bits that stay. So…
Yeah well, I mean for me, the experience was… ’cause I had to sit in this sort of like a room with lots of blankets to absorb the sound, and I was doing take after take, and, oh, it just wasn’t… It was really frustrating. Super frustrating. And.
That’s the learning experience, though. That’s, you know, starting a new language.
It is! It’s like a new language. There’s no visuals. It’s just voice, and wow. So, I’m hoping that I will improve, you know, over the next 10 or 20 podcasts. I really want to improve my… well everything: delivery, content, everything. So…
I think you just… the way to look at it, and it’s like language learning, it’s almost like, you know, at first you have your first conversation, and you’re like, “Oh, that one’s so bad!”. But you have to look at it like, “How am I going to be after ten conversations, twenty conversation, a hundred conversations?”, and then just go out and have them as soon as possible. And like, get in there, dive in there, make them awful, but then walk away from it with the experience of 10 conversations, 20 conversations, 100 conversations. Just punish it. Punish mate. You’ve got this.
Great advice. I’m sorry Pete, but I have to go, because my battery is going to go flat at any moment.
Man, you(‘ve) got to be MacGyver, mate. You(‘ve) got to always be prepared.
I know. I feel bad about that.
We’ve had some questions in here asking us to make this a podcast. Is there any way I can get the audio off you and we can check this up? We could do, you know, both of us.
You know, I don’t know, ’cause I did a long stream yesterday, and I tried to save the video to my telephone. And it was impossible, and I don’t know why, and I don’t know if I can do it through the Instagram website. I don’t know. But I will try to do something to.
We’ll give it a go.
But, I don’t know if anybody wants to really hear us rambling.
Man, they love this sort of stuff. They love it. They love practising English hearing two people speak at once. That’s the funniest thing I had… A whole bunch of them are just like, “More conversations! Not just one person speaking. You need everyone in there.”. So…
Well, listen, we should definitely do this again soon.
I had a great time chatting to you.
I need to find out what’s wrong with my telephone so that we can do the stream on your account and you could invite me.
Yeah. Just give it a go. See if you can save this one. But worst-case scenario, we’ll just have to catch up again.
Yeah. So, for anybody who doesn’t know, this is Pete from Aussie English, YouTube channel, podcast, courses, everything. The man, the legend, the doctor.
And this is Christian from Canguro English, another Australian. if you guys from my channel, go and follow Christian at, I guess, it’s Canguro English on Facebook, on YouTube, and you don’t have a current web site for the podcast, yet or do you?
No, it’s just on Soundcloud. Yeah, there’s no website.
Soon. It’s in the making, guys. It’s in the making. But if you want access to another Aussie, follow Christian.
Alright, well, it was a pleasure Pete. Speak to you soon my man.
Alright, guys. So, that was an interview with Christian and myself. But Christian from Canguro English. That’s spelt CANGURO ENGLISH. Canguro English, but two words. You can check him out on YouTube, his podcast has come out and it’s on Soundcloud, he also has an Instagram account, and you can see him on Facebook. So, check Cristian out, guys, if you want to learn English from a fellow Australian English teacher, and the links will be in today’s transcript.
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How to eat Vegemite like an Australian!
Hey guys! Welcome to this episode of Aussie English. Today I thought I would make a video for you guys about how to eat Vegemite like an Australian. Vegemite is one of those things that is famously Australian and a lot of people try and eat this when they come here as foreigners, and they definitely do it wrong. And, even some Australians who really really dislike it, I think a lot of the time it’s just that they’ve never really had it correctly. So, I’m going to the shops as we speak, I’m going to the shops right now, and I’m going to buy some Vegemite, some bread, probably some butter or margarine, and I’m going to come home [and] make a video for you guys about how I would and how I would not eat Vegemite. And so, you may be wondering too, it’s a bit overcast, the sun’s not really out but actually today it’s about 30C. It is really really really hot. And in Australia we have incredibly high levels of UV, ultra violet light, UV. And so, I think Australia’s probably the country in the world with the highest rate of skin cancer for any population in the world. And so, that is why I’m wearing a hat, sunglasses on, I have a shirt on as well covering up my arms, and I’ve also got a little bit of sunscreen on, because you can never be too safe. You know, better safe than sorry. So, I don’t want skin cancer when I get older. Although, it’s something like a 2 in 3 chance before I get to the age of 70. And so, in Australia we say SLIP, SLOP, SLAP. SLIP on a hat, I think, SLOP on some sunscreen, and SLAP on a t-shirt. Something like that, but that’s one of those sayings from Australia. SLIP, SLOP, SLAP. Anyway, I am almost at the shops. [It’s] time to get our Vegemite on. I thought I would also show you these streets guys. I really really love these streets in North Melbourne that have gumtrees all the way up the street. So, you’ll probably be able to see behind me here that there are probably about a dozen or so gumtrees lining the middle of this street. So, this is the median strip and then you’ve got gumtrees in the middle. Beautiful. Alright, so, here we are at the shops. Let’s go and find some Vegemite. Bingo! This is exactly what we were looking for. And now for some butter. I’m a big fan of olive oil spread. I don’t know why. I think it’s healthier. It’s probably a bit lame but I’m not a massive fan of butter, and as you can see there’s quite a bit of choice here, but I think I’m going to go the classic Olive Oil Spread. Now to find some bread. And again, I’m a bit of a fan of wholemeal. So, we’ll get some of that. Alright, so, we got the goods, bread, margarine and Vegemite. So, this is obviously just going to be the basics, the basic idea of having Vegemite on bread with margarine or butter, whatever it is that you like having underneath it as a spread. I might also do an episode in the future where I talk about the different kinds of, I guess, mini recipes that you can have with Vegemite, because a lot of people have things like cheese with them, they’ll have avocado with Vegemite, they’ll also have Vegemite on biscuits. When I was a kid that used to be one of those school ground treats that you would have where you would get small savoury biscuits like Savoys, I think is one of the brands here in Australia, and you would put Vegemite and/or butter on these and have them at lunchtime or recess during primary school or high school. So, again, I’m just in the street walking home, and I’m pretty pumped. I guess we’ll see how this goes. It’s been a while. I don’t really have Vegemite quite often. I used to love it as a kid, but I don’t really eat much bread anymore, strangely enough. And so, as a result I don’t really have much Vegemite. So, it’s going to be a blast from the past for me. It’s going to have been a few years since I’ve really gone to town and had a lot of Vegemite, but let’s do this! So, am I going to be nice or am I going to be mean? Do you want the small one of the big one? Small. Small. Johnny gets the big one huh? Can I do just a little fingernail, a little sliver? So, this is how not to eat Vegemite, but you guys have both signed up for… What you want me to take a… Yeah, yeah go for it! I want to see… We’ve got to get your reaction. We’ve got to get your reaction. Here we go. Crack that seal. So what does it smell like? It smells like… Yeast extract. Yeah, it has a yeast smell. It smells like hotdogs. And what would you say, like, most people who try Vegemite, why do they get it wrong? They don’t eat a lot of it, but like it’s… It’s good with avocado, huh, and cheese? I actually had it with Vegemite a little while ago, avocado, and it actually does. It’s a weird pairing. But it’s pretty bad by itself? By itself it’s like… A little bit of butter maybe… It’s like eating a stock cube, you know what I mean? Like, that’s the best kind of thing I’ve thought about Vegemite. But like, hotdogs. I think of hotdogs, I think of mustard. And so how do you think this is going to go? You’ve just taken a little teaspoon of that. This is definitely… It’s disgusting… This is definitely what you’d recommend not doing right? …I’m not going to eat that. You reckon you could finish that? That’s a heaped spoon, as they say in the business. I don’t think I should. I reckon you got this. So, give us a review. What’s that like? The power, already. It’s not, like… There’s other foods that are more disgusting. Like in Sweden they… I think it’s Sweden they do like this fermented fish. That I was in the same room when it was happening and it stank. So, this is a close second, is it? Nah, it’s not even close. The fish, the fermented fish. I can’t remember what it’s called but it’s gross and yeah you had a little bit on bread. The Swedes do it that way. But, this is just a concentrated amount. There you go. John’s just taken a mouthful. How’s that go? It’s not too bad. Not too bad? Yeah, as long as you don’t coat it in there. It’s better than I thought. It’s disgusting. How much did you put in? A whole spoon. I just coated the edges. It’s good. Look what John did [compared] to me! That’s a good metric there. Show me! What’s he done? John’s gone a bit soft. You did a heaped spoon. You finished the whole thing! That’s pretty impressive! So, that’s how not to, how not to eat Vegemite. It’s really horrible. It’s still in my mouth. I haven’t eaten it. Show me your teeth. That’s intense. You’ve got to finish it. Come on Phil, swallow that! You’re allowed to take a mouthful of beer. Yeast with yeast! How did that go? It’s still there. Not your first choice? I tried swallowing it all but it just like become swirled and viscous. More viscous, or whatever. You know, like became like… you put it in with some bolognese or something. Alright. It just gets out there. So, that was Vegemite and how not to eat it. We’re going to have to go inside now and put it on some bread, I think, and we’re going to have to use some margarine, butter. Do it properly. Either/or. And show you guys how to eat Vegemite correctly. So, we get some bread out and we’ll go over to the toaster. I guess we can do… Woah. Two for one! We can probably do four bits, huh? We’ll get two bits out. Depending on the toaster’s size. Yeah, this toaster’s a beast. Turn it on. Alright, so we’ll let it sit there until it pops out. The toast’s popped. This is going to be hard with no hands. So… So, the basic idea is obviously get some margarine or some butter and put that on the bread. I don’t know if it sort of softens it up to some degree. Let’s see if we can do this quick. Got to do it while the bread’s still warm. Alright, let’s smash this out. Boom! Ok, and now here’s the trick. Here’s the trick. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. A little bit. And you spread that whole little bit over the entire bit of bread. Just a tiny tiny little bit, a tiny tiny little bit. And see when you get these big chunks you take that off, you take that off. [It’s] too much, too much. Just a little bit. Alright, there we go. Are you ready to try this Phil? I reckon I am man. Alright. Too nice. It’s been a while since I’ve had one of these. Oh, it’s good, it’s good! Mmm! The olive oil went better than expected, Pete. Yeah, it’s good. It just tastes like margarine. Pete, used a margarine that was made of olive oil. Instead. Yeah, nah, there was… I used to buy it a lot, but I think that’s good. I like it when the toast is very hot and ready to go. I guess too, the thing is that most people eat this kind of, you know, food expecting it to be pretty sweet, but this is incredibly salty. For those of you who haven’t tried Vegemite, it is incredibly salty. So, this is a very very savoury thing to eat. Absolutely! It’s not sweet at all, at all! And so, it definitely is weird if you eat this with also having jam and other things on toast at the same time. But, overall, that’s the trick. Make sure you put margarine on it. Make the bread nice and soft. And then use a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit on the end of your knife, and spread that the whole way across the bread, as opposed to thick like Nutella. That’s a sure way to have a bad time. Absolutely. …to have a bad time. Absolutely. So, yeah. Cheers!
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By pete — 10 months ago
AE 422 – Interview: How to Sell a Car in Australia with James Buchan
G’day, you mob. Welcome to this episode of Aussie English, the number one podcast for anyone and everyone wanting to learn Australian English, whether you want to learn to sound like an Aussie when you speak English or whether you just want to understand the mysteries of the Australian accent, although that wasn’t really that Australian, then this is the podcast for you guys, and it is brought to you by The Aussie English Classroom. This is an online classroom. It’s a website where you can enroll, you can become a student in this website, and you will get all the bonus content for these podcast episodes. So, you’ll get things like quizzes and lessons all wrapped up, all bundled up, into a course for you to complete. You get points. You can meet other people also wanting to upgrade their English, but it is the best way online currently for learning Australian English.
Anyway, guys. Today’s interview episode is with my mate James again. You’ve met him a few times if you’ve been a listener for a while now. He was here a few interviews ago in an Episode 401 – How to Buy a Car in Australia where we were talking about the dos and don’ts of buying a car down under. So, where you should find it online, how you should go about purchasing it, when you should test drive it, get it checked out, and then all of the sort of forms that you need to get filled out, to get signed, and where to go. You know, Vic Roads if you’re in Victoria, for example.
So, this episode is a follow on for that one where you’ll find out what to do when you want to sell the car that you’ve bought. Okay? So, maybe you’ve gone on a road trip around Australia, you’ve been driving your van around or your car around, and it’s time to get rid of it, or maybe it’s time to upgrade to a bigger and better car. But this episode is really going to help you navigate the tricky process that is selling a car in Australia. So, I really recommend sitting down, getting out a notepad, and just taking any notes of any of the tips that James gives you so that you can do this incredibly easy. So, there you go guys let’s get into it.
So, I guess, moving, shifting gears, pun intended. If we move on to cars that you’d suggest to people in Australia, travelling here, living here, should buy for road trips? What kinds of cars would you suggest they buy? And can you talk a bit about maybe the price range that they should aim for as well?
Falcons and Commodores are a great car. If you wanted something small, I mean, you could even get… do like road trips and like a Corolla or a Yaris if you didn’t have a heap of money, some little Toyotas. If you had more money, you could perhaps go for like some kind of Toyota van.
What would you be paying if you were getting a Holden, a Commodore…? You’d suggest a Wagon, right? Because you could sleep in the back of it and fill it with stuff.
You have to pay a little bit more for a Wagon. When we were looking we only had a budget of seven hundred fifty dollars, which is not a heap. So, we were only able to find sedans in that budget, and we ended up with the ex-taxi, which had more Ks on it than we perhaps we would have like, but in hindsight, it turns out it was fine. But if we had about a grand, a little bit more, up to two or three, there’s plenty of choice, and the smart thing to do would have been to, as you said, buy a wagon, because you can just chuck more stuff in it. You can go to Clark Rubber, which I guess is like a foam and rubber kind of shop.
In Australia, yeah.
You can take a tape measure with you, get some measurements of the boot, and you can get some rubber cut, or some foam… like a foam mattress, to the size and the shape of the boot. Yeah, that’s your bed. Boom! So, fold the seats down.
Okay, Holden or Ford Commodore, sorry, Holden or…. Holden or a Ford, a Commodore or Falcon wagon, they’re pretty good. They tend to be pretty cheap.
They do. Parts are plentiful.
And then a Yaris or a Corolla, potentially, the Toyotas as well aren’t too bad.
Yeah. They’re not too bad. Look, you might be paying slightly more for a for a Corolla or… because they’re just popular little city cars.
These ones aren’t wagons, right? These are sedans or hatchbacks.
No, they’re little hatchbacks.
But again, they’re kind of reliable, I guess.
If you’re not planning to sleep in the car, you’re good with those, and they’re easy to fix, because they’re Toyotas.
Yeah. And you see them, when you go down the Great Ocean Road, you’ll see, you know, like, I think they call them Jucy Rentals or Campers.
And they tend to be pretty cheap on fuel.
Yeah. Like you see little rental cars, then there are those Corollas, they’re good cheap on fuel. They’re not hard on tires or anything like that.
So, what about vans? What kind of vans would you suggest trying to purchase?
Like, I’ve seen Volkswagen vans. I’ve also seen Toyota vans, like a Hiace, I think, they’d be like a good little van, a second-hand van to have them. Again, you can sleep in that, but you’re probably going to be paying a bit more. I haven’t looked into the prices of those but…
Several thousand dollars probably.
At least. My cousin’s ex-boyfriend had one of those, and they did a trip from Melbourne to Perth yeah in one of those vans, but he didn’t get a particularly good one, and he was limited to 80 kilometres an hour in terms of top speed.
So, instead of a 3-day trip it was a 10-day trip.
Correct, with no air conditioning.
I’m exaggerating, but yeah, with no air-con.
With no air-con in the middle of summer.
And they got pulled over several times for going too slow.
But it got them there, but to be fair their 80 Ks might have been limited by how much they brought on board as well, and only being a little four cylinder, that’s again, another thing I think you’ve got to take into consideration, these vans and they’re also four cylinders much like the Corollas or the Yarises.
They get a very small engine.
They’ve got a smaller engine, and it might be working harder if you’ve got a lot of shit that you need to bring. So, in that regard, a Falcon or a Commodore, they’re six cylinders, or if you feel like spending more on fuel, you might find an eight cylinder one for slightly more money. You’re probably going to… you’re going to have a better time with more cylinders.
Crazy. Well, everyone who’s listening, if you want to learn, too, more about buying cars, definitely listen to the other interview I did with James on buying cars, but now we should start chatting about selling cars.
So, alright, you’ve listened to the first podcast, you’ve gone out, you’ve bought a car, you’ve done your road trip, and now you’ve come to the stage where you’re trying to sell this car before you either upgrade or downgrade or find another car that you want to live in in Australia, or use in Australia, or you’re leaving and going overseas. What are some of the dos and don’ts of selling a car in Australia? Can you walk us through that process? Have you done that before?
Yeah, we have. It was a good question. It’s a good question you’ve asked for it. Firstly, I guess it depends on what kind of car is that you’re selling, and more specifically, does it have any registration or roadworthy left on it. If it’s got… if it’s got registration, it’s probably going to be easier to sell. If you can sell it with a roadworthy certificate, all the power to you. That’s going to be better for you and it’s going to be better for the next buyer as well.
So, would that… would you give different advice depending on how much the car was worth with regards to a roadworthy, though?
Yeah, I probably would. Let’s say, you know, you had a really big trip around Australia or you thrashed it or few things broke, but you were able to keep on going and you’ve completed your trip, and let’s say you’re moving back overseas, you might deem that the cost for fixing the car is probably more than the car’s worth. So, is it really going to be worthwhile to fix it up and to get a roadworthy for it? Probably not. So, you’ll be able to sell it, certainly, and someone will buy it. They’ll probably buy it for parts. You might be able to get six, seven hundred dollars, maybe a thousand or more, depending upon what it is, but if you’ve got a roadworthy, then it’s going to be a lot easier. So, the best thing to do would be to clean it up. If you’ve got any stickers or any paint, you know, like Plasti Dip paint or anything like that, just give it a good wash, clean it up, vacuum it, take plenty of good photos, and then advertise it on Carsales. I think if it’s under ten thousand dollars, I think it’s free.
And would you suggest, before we get onto that, would you suggest they check out how much it would cost to get a roadworthy first or would you just… if it’s under $2000, the car’s value, would you just say, “Ah, don’t even look. Just put it up online?”.
I almost would. Yeah. I think if the car’s not worth the huge amount of money, it might not be worth your effort trying to track down a roadworthy, because, you know, they… a lot of little things can add up to quite substantial things and you could be facing quite a deep, you know, sizeable bill. And, I guess, it has to be… how much is your time worth and how much do you think you’d be able to sell the car for if you if you provided a roadworthy to the next buyer? And yeah, if you had a roadworthy, it might make it easier for the next buyer to purchase it, and might make it easier to sell, but if it requires, you know, a thousand dollars’ worth of gear, how much is your time worth? So, it might not be worth it. In which case, I’d just say, whack it up, take some photos of it, you know, write… you know, make a clear… clear a little paragraph or so about the car, mention anything that’s wrong with it, ’cause just being a good honest seller is, you know, I think you’re always going to attract a better kind of…, you know, more trust in the buyer, if you’re honest about what any of the problems are. So, just list them up, a paragraph or two, take some good photos, and put it up on Gumtree or Carsales. I think it’s under ten thousand dollars. It’s free to advertise.
And what about Facebook these days, they’re doing sales as well. Do you recommend using Facebook?
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Yeah. You can use Facebook marketplace. I personally haven’t used it for selling a car. I’ve used it for selling certain other small bits and pieces. I don’t think the searching mechanism may be as easy, but… for finding a car, but it’s certainly worth trawling through to see if you can find anything there, and you might find someone local who’s selling something. So, that’s another option. If you want to sell it through Facebook Marketplace. I personally haven’t tried it, but it’s worth a shot.
Alright, awesome. So, you got your car sorted. If it’s below maybe two or three thousand dollars, you might not get a roadworthy for it, you might check it out, you might not, but you’ve put it up online. If it’s more than three or four thousand dollars, you probably decided, yeah, it’s best to get it roadworthy, if I want to get rid of it quickly and not have any time wasters. So, you’ve got your ad up on line on Gumtree or on Carsales. What is the next step?
So, now that the ad’s up you’ve got to…. you’ve got to… you’ve got to meet with the potential buyers. So, they’ll message you. They’ll email or call, and you’ve got your car up, it’s advertised either with or without a roadworthy or whatnot. So, you’ve got to arrange a mutually kind of exclusive time that works for both parties to meet and look at the car. Regardless of if it has a roadworthy or not, as a seller, you should list what’s right with it, what’s wrong with it. If you feel comfortable letting the person take it for a test drive, if it’s got roadworthy and registration, and, you know, they’re licensed, then go for it. You can let them take a test drive. Or you can take them for a test drive if you don’t feel comfortable handing them the keys and letting them go for a drive.
Is that a good cultural practice here too in Australia, ’cause other people from other countries might feel… just giving a car to someone else to go and drive is that weird or does that tend to be the practice here in Australia?
I think for the most part tends to be the practice. I mean, in my experiences at least, I’ve had both circumstances where, when I’ve been a buyer, I have given the car a test drive, but the seller has come along with me, and other times… I’ve… they’ve handed me the keys and I’ve just been able to go and take it for a test drive by myself or with my brother. But that said, we… on those occasions, I’ve either left my license with the person who’s selling the car, or I’ve left the car that I arrived at their house at, and so, you know, they know that I’ve got…
Especially, if the car’s of comparable value or even more value.
Or even more value. (I) kind of want my other car back or whoever else’s car it might be. Let’s say it’s my mum’s and I’ve borrowed it from her.
You might just have to return at night, Jimmy and take it.
But yeah, that is a bit of a practice in Australia.
So, don’t be shocked if someone comes to purchase your car and they say can I take it for a test drive.
Yeah, don’t be shocked.
I guess too, if it’s worth only a few thousand dollars, it’s probably not as big a deal as if it were a Ferrari or something, you know, that’s of substantial value, that you don’t want someone to just nick.
No, and you do see in the ads for those kind of cars, they say, “Look, test drive won’t be provided without some kind of substantial deposit, or I’ll be coming with you.”. You see those kind of things on those ads. But don’t be surprised if the asks to take it for a test drive if it’s possible. If the car’s probably… If it doesn’t have registration roadworthy, then, yeah, you’re probably just going to have to look at it, check it over as is, and arrange for transport to bring the car back on a trailer or a truck of some sort. If it doesn’t have roadworthy or rego.
So, what should you be prepared to ask the person, as they knock on your door, what’s the sort of process that’ll lead up to them getting in the car and trying it, giving it a burl?
So, you know, you’ll open up the car, you’ll open the bonnet, you’ll allow them to, perhaps, look at… check the oil or the engine coolant. You would take a look… you know, show them that the depth of tread on the tyres to make sure it’s got roadworthy tyres. You’d open everything up. You’d show the shop, perhaps, some booklets or some documentation. Maybe a registration certificate. And then, that’s about it. Then they just have to go and do their homework. They have to look over the car. I don’t like to be too in someone’s face, or to be too pushy, like I’m trying to force it on them. You’ve just got to let them look over it and if they’re happy with it, you know, they’ll ask you the questions, and then just you have to respond as best you can.
So, try not to be too keen to sell, as well, or… just be happy to just give it away as long as someone will give you the cash?
There’s a happy medium I think, you know? You don’t want to come across as being too keen to get rid of it, but it… ’cause that might possibly indicate a problem, but at the same time, you know, they have to be able to be willing… if they want the car, they have to be willing to meet you in, you know, I guess the middle or to be able to meet what you’re asking price is. They can’t really sort of come with any unrealistic expectations. We were selling the Alfa Romeo that we had several years ago, and we had it listed for $650, and we had some people come down from Albury, and they weren’t planning on… the car still had registration, so they were able to drive it back. And they said to me “Oh, we don’t want to have to call you from the side of the road and get angry at you, because it didn’t make it back to Albury”, and I think my brother’s response was, “Well, it’s a $650 car, what do you expect?”. You know? So, I think, at certain price point, buyer beware.
And they looked over the car. They were happy with it. And we didn’t get any phone calls, you know, from the side of the road. So, they clearly got back to Albury with it. Good for them. But at a certain price point, you can’t really be too picky. It’s a cheap car. You’ve come a long distance. That’s part of the gamble, isn’t it? So, yeah, at a certain price point, I guess, you can’t really be too picky with what you’re are what you’re looking at. And I think that Alpha was.
Start again. And I think that that Alpha was?
The Alpha was in reasonable condition for the money that we were selling it for. So…
So, what are some things you would look out for in buyers who’ve come to your house? What are some warning signs that people are time wasters or that they’re a bit dodgy or sketchy, and you can’t really trust them, and you… Yeah, can you talk about that a little bit?
So, I guess I’ve been one of those buyers before where I… Look… I’ve…. I won’t say that I’ve been sketchy, but I have gone to look at a car, because I was, perhaps, interested in that model, but I wasn’t intending on buying that specific car. So, in that instance, the seller has, perhaps, taken me for a test drive, or I’ve gone for a ride in the car, I’ve looked over it, and perhaps I’ve decided that’s not for me. And you know what? If you’re selling a cheap car or, I guess, any car for that matter, you might encounter one or two of those types of people that, you know, they want to look at it. They’re just getting to know the type of vehicle that’s up for sale. They might not want to buy it.
There’s nothing you can do about it.
And that’s… Yeah, I think that’s an inevitability. There’s not much you can do about that. In terms of sketchy people, yeah again, I think you need to be a personal judge of character. You need to sort of be able to read the situation as well. If someone seems untrustworthy, I guess, you need to see the red flags and the alarm bells to be working, you need to be able to put two and two together. If someone doesn’t seem to be willing to hand over a license or, you know, you just get this odd feeling about them, perhaps don’t let them take the car for a test drive or go with them.
I guess just use common sense.
And are there any unreasonable requests that you should just flat out say no to from buyers when they come to your house? And this might lead to haggling for the price.
Like… let’s say. I wouldn’t say to them, “Oh, you know what? you can have the car for a week. See if you like it after a week. And then… and then buy it”. That that would be an unreasonable request and I wouldn’t be okay with that. No, they need to do their homework. In terms of other unreasonable requests, you know, if the car is pretty cheap, don’t expect that it’s… you know, if it says no roadworthy certificate, that’s… yeah, don’t expect that the buyer the seller is going to provide a roadworthy the certificate. If they’ve said it doesn’t have one, it’s probably not going to come with one. You know, if… Or if the seller is willing to provide one for extra money, then… and you want it, then yeah, just pay the extra money and let the seller go and get a roadworthy certificate for you, but don’t expect that that’s going to come with the car for no extra cost. ‘Cause they’re pretty…
They’re cutting into their price that they’re trying to get for it.
Yeah. And if it’s a fair price that’s just that’s just being tight.
You punch him in the face.
Pretty much. When I sell or buy, I like to think there is a fair price for whatever I’m sort of. Whatever I’m buying. So, I will look at what I’m buying, I’ll see other comparable products on the market doesn’t have to just be a car and I like to think that if I’m, you know, I’ve done enough homework, I know roughly what it is that I’m buying and if it’s at a fair. Fair price point. I’m not going to try and barter too hard yeah or throw too many lowballs but I think that that is an unfortunate practice that just does take place these days that in everything, you will get a lot of lowballs, you know.
Can you talk about that, I guess, what should you expect with regards to setting your price and should you post anything to indicate that you will not negotiate the price of the car that you’re trying to sell? Can you talk a bit about that?
Yeah. So, if you’ve advertised your car for a really fair price, let’s just use say. Let’s say you want five thousand four and that’s a fair price. People like, generally people like to get this feeling of negotiation or getting a slight win, doesn’t have to be just with buying a car. I just think in general. When you’re a buyer you’d like to sort of… Test out the boundaries. That’s just human nature. So.
If you want five thousand dollars for the car, then perhaps list it for maybe six thousand or… and at least that way you will have factored in that negotiation.
Exactly, as you said, because if you just listed for five, you’re going to get someone who’s, you know, going to come along and say, “Oh, mate, I like your car. How about… Would you take four and a half for it? Would you take three for it?
So, would you bump it up 10 to 20 percent in the higher bracket of what other cars are going for? So, you’d also… I guess, we should mention, you’d have a look to see how much the exact same car is going for on these sites, like Gumtree and Carsales, and then you’d match that price when you’re setting the price on the ad. And then, would you try and set it in the top margin, or would you aim for the lower margin? I guess, you have to decide on quality.
That depends on the condition of your car.
And if it has a roadworthy?
And if and if it has a roadworthy, but as you said, it’s always a good idea to check out what other ones are listed for sale at, and then place it accordingly, being fully aware that people are going to come in and they’re going to want to bargain you down.
I guess, that’s a cultural thing. I would be expecting that someone is going to say, “Yeah, I really like the car, took it for test drive, but I only want to give you this for it. What do you say?”. So, I guess that’s something, listeners be aware of the fact that when selling a car there will be that bartering culture in that aspect of Australian culture. We have it in many areas, but it’s definitely in selling second-hand goods
Yeah, absolutely, and I think you’ll find that with anything on Gumtree, Facebook Marketplace, especially with a car. And there are… there are a lot of people that do like to… I’ll call them “low-ballers”.
It’s like they’re throwing a ball low, the price low.
Yeah, and it can be the real bane of anybody’s existence is trying to sell something online. I’ve got a friend and he runs a business dismantling imported Japanese cars or perhaps from Europe, and he’s had some very strange requests. He’s been offered rare jewelry before.
Yeah. He’s been offered up plumbing, including a new toilet, and he’s been offered a pair of size 10 brand new Nikes as well.
And none of those things he wants and he says well, look if you… you know.
Well I guess anything’s worth trying, but you know, if you’ve got plumbing equipment to sell, just to sell the plumbing equipment, and don’t assume that if something is advertised that someone’s willing to do a trade with you. I think that has to be stipulated in the ad. If you’re a seller and you’re willing to trade, you would perhaps need to write what you wanted to trade in.
“Will trade for money.”
Yes, but don’t say “Oh, you know, I will trade for rare jewels or some plumbing equipment”, because that’s just going to get people offside.
And it’s probably pretty rare that you’re going to find anyone who has that stuff to trade and wants your car.
Exactly, or parts, but that there is that element out there that will certainly try that.
So, beware of bartering, and that’s probably going to happen if you’re selling something second-hand online.
Yes. So, beware, be aware, and be prepared to haggle, because you will get that element.
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Yeah, alright. So, the car… the guy’s come to your place and he’s checked the car out, taken it for a test drive with or without you, with or without leaving something behind, like his license. He likes the car and he wants to buy it. He’s bartered with you. You’ve found a fair price. What’s the next step?
So, you would then need to… if you’re happy with the price, you then need to, I guess, agree on a price. You perhaps might want to write this down on a piece of paper, and you’ll have the buyer’s signature and you’ll have the seller’s signature, and it’ll be, you know, “I do by here agree to sell said car for X amount of money”, you’ll put the date, the time, the name. That’s just for personal safekeeping, I think. And then you’ll have the VicRoads transfer form. If you want to get a little bit of money off, when you go to try to transfer for stamp duty, I think we talked about this last time in the other podcast I did.
That’s only if they ask. It’s not really your problem, right?
As the seller.
Yeah, you just write down what the car was sold for if it’s a fair and reasonable price.
Under the assumption too, I guess, that you’ve got cash, you might not want to do a bank transfer just in case.
But if they pay you in cash, then you can set the price a little bit lower if you want to help save them a little bit of money.
That’s right. We’ve both done that before and that’s just one of those things. You would then write that price down. They’ve paid in cash on the VicRoads transfer documents.
And where have you got these documents and what are they exactly?
So, the VicRoads transfer documents, you can go to VicRoads, and basically, that just transfers the ownership of the vehicle from their name to yours or yours to theirs.
And this isn’t the same set of documents from VicRoads everywhere else in Australia? There’s going to be a state or a territory…
So, “Roads thing” or whatever it is that’s the government, the state government’s version of… what would you call it? Cars and roads stuff.
So, RTA for four New South Wales, or, I know for California or in America they call it the DMV, Department of Motor vehicles.
Ah, yeah, got you, got you. And so, anyway, you’ve got these documents which are for the buying and selling, the sale of a car, and are you expected to have them prior to the person buying the car?
No, but it’s always a good idea, because they’re… VicRoads hands these out. They don’t cost anything. They’re free. It’s… I guess, it’s just good to have a spare. You know you could keep them in your glove box or…
And you could just get rid of the car there and then. If the person does show up and they have the cash, you can say, “Well, here are the documents. Bam!”
Yeah. And you can sign it. It never hurts to be prepared. So, you just wander on down to VicRoads grabbed these documents and, you know. If you’re the seller Yeah it should probably be your responsibility to have them.
The buyer could get them and bring them as well if you wanted t.
Yeah, I know that, in the past, my brother has just had the spare transfer documents, just a couple of spare papers at home at any one time just in case, if and when he does go and buy a car. You know, and he likes it and he sees what he likes on the spot. That he’s got that money.
It’s time saving.
And it’s just it’s time saving. Yeah.
So, what should you expect to see in the document. Is it very difficult to fill out or is it simple?
It’s all pretty simple Have like a name and address. You have, you know, your date of birth you have your license number. There’ll be a few other little bits and pieces, but it’s nothing that you wouldn’t be able to fill out yourself. There’ll be the purchase price of the car. There’ll be probably the make or model of the car and the year it was made. And then once you’ve written all of your information down the sellers written their information down there’ll be a carbon copy. So, that is there’ll be another piece of paper underneath and that information will also be imprinted there. So, you really only need to do it once one copy for the buyer and the seller. You would take that down to VicRoads if you were the buyer. And you’d get VicRoads to process that and put it into your name.
So, as the seller, is that it? Is at the end of the journey? I guess they’ve come to your house, they’ve checked the car out, they’ve agreed on a price, they’ve given you the cash or they’ve done a bank transfer you might want to wait if they’ve done a bank transfer, but if they give you the cash, you’ve filled out the document you’ve taken your carbon copy of the document you have giving them the rest. Is that where it’s all over or over, all finished?
Pretty much, although I have experienced occasions where the seller has said, “Look, I’m just going contact VicRoads and let them know just that I’m no longer the owner of this car anymore, just to double check and make sure.”.
But other than that, it’s all over red rover, once you’ve done all of the transfer and the seller’s got that, or that, you know, that the buyers got that sorry, then that’s it, that’s their car now, it’s in their name, provided that it’s got a roadworthy certificate with it.
Yep. So, that’s the only thing, right? They might… they have to wait to get a roadworthy for the car before they can transfer it into their name to use on the road. If they wanted to part it out or just put it on a farm or something, and not drive it…
There’s no need, but otherwise, if they want to use it on the road you need a roadworthy certificate, and VicRoads will give you, I think it’s 30 days. They’ll transfer the car into your name, but the expectation is that you’ll come back to VicRoads with the roadworthy certificate. Otherwise, that car won’t be roadworthy and won’t be eligible to drive on the roads.
Is there anything to worry about if the person does take the car, doesn’t take it to VicRoads to get a transfer to cross, and then ends up in an accident?
It’s not ideal. It’s not a great situation.
So, if in doubt, probably just ring up VicRoads to at least give them a warning fire, warning shot saying, “Yeah, just so you know, the car’s been sold, and if it’s in an accident or something that’s not because of me or I’m not involved.”
And that’s right. And then also, I guess, that comes down to that little piece of paper that we signed, at the beginning of the sale as well that says that, “I, you know, James Buchan do say that, you know, that said car has been sold for said amount of money”, on the date, and you’ve got… the seller and the buyer’s signature is on that piece of paper.
So, it’s very important to those two things, at least just to cover your arse.
Yeah it’s a good thing to do and just, you know, I have also seen, when buying and selling secondhand cars, buyers… sorry, sellers have written, “If the vehicle doesn’t come with a roadworthy certificate, but it still has registration that the registration will be cancelled prior to the sale of the vehicle.”, so that once the vehicle is in your hands, that’s up to you to organise roadworthy in rego, and so should any speeding tickets or anything dodgy happen with the vehicle once that’s out of your hands. It’s not going to come back on you.
It’s not going to come back on you.
So, that’s another thing that a lot of people we’re seeing start to happen, on like Gumtree or Carsales, especially on the cheaper cars.
Yeah. So, do you have anything else to add, I guess, here James before we finish up?
Not heaps. Just get out there and have a go. Go with your gut instinct. If someone doesn’t seem like they’re going to be an honest seller or an honest buyer, there will be more, there’ll be more cars out there to look at. So, you don’t have to buy the first one that you see. Or if it doesn’t seem right, cut bait and walk away. Just use a bit of your gut instinct and you’ll be fine.
Don’t be afraid to say no.
Yeah and don’t be afraid to negotiate a little if the price is too high. And if you’re if you’re a seller, don’t be afraid to say no. You can always say no within reason. You know, when I was trying to sell a car years ago, I had it listed for a very fair price, and, you know, I had this vehicle listed for $7.5 and I was having offers of $3,000-$3,250. And…
That tends to not get a “No”, that tends to get an “F off!” response.
Pretty much. Yeah. They would say things like, “Oh, I’m planning on using this car to put it on gas and put my baby in it.”. And let’s say this was like a sporty car, like a sporty used car Grand Tourer, that’s not what the car is designed for. I could see the guy was…
First and foremost, that’s not your problem.
No, I could see the guy was an idiot, he’d given me a lowball, he told me what he was planning to do with the car, and I just thought, “Nah, I don’t need… if that’s what you’re going to offer me…”.
You can do that with the car once you’ve paid the price for it.
Pretty much. But if that’s what you’re going to offer me and that’s what you’re planning on doing with the car, no, I’m not going to sell it to you. So, don’t be that type of buyer, and don’t be afraid to say no if you get those kind of people, because they… yeah, you get all sorts of funny people out there.
Crazy. Well, thank you, so much, James, for being on the set again.
Not a problem. My pleasure.
And, I guess, I might add here, guys, I’ll harass James after the podcast to help me write out one of these example notes, and we can put a template up there for you guys to use if you decide to sell a car that you’ve bought here in the future, at least as a guide. You can change it.
Yes, that’s it.
Awesome. Thanks, so much, James.
Not a problem, Pete.
See you, guys.
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Alright guys, special thanks to James once again. Remember, if you would like to listen to the episode on how to buy a car, if you are still at that stage in Australia and you haven’t even got one yet, go to Episode 401 – How to Buy a Car in Australia with James Buchan, and make sure that you sit through that, have a listen, take some notes, and learn the do’s and don’ts of purchasing a car. And remember too that you can get that note that I asked James to write out for you in the episode bonus content today. So, if you are selling your car and you want to just use a pre-written transcript that you get the purchaser, the buyer, to sign, and you sign as well, that’ll be in the bonus content for today’s episode. So, don’t forget to jump over to TheAussieEnglishPodcast.com and download the free content. So, there’ll be a link in the transcript, guys.
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So, I’ve been rabbiting on quite a bit as usual, guys. I hope you have an absolutely splendid week and I will see you this weekend in the expression episode.
Peace out, guys.
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